Forgotten Fades – James Page vs Jose Luis Lopez

One of the reasons I like doing these articles is not only to bring attention to fights that may have been overlooked, but the fighters as well.  Boxing for the most part has a “what have you done for me lately” attitude.  Many a good fighter has slipped the mind of boxing fans both new and old.  In the time of pandemic, boxing fans should use resources necessary to educate themselves.  But let me get off my boxing high horse and get into the forgotten fade I wanted to write about.   The welterweight division in the mid to late 90s so the likes of De La Hoya, Trinidad, Whitaker, & Quartey do battles within their quartet and outside of it.  The division was on fire.  However, as all 4 would leave the division to go up in weight, new welterweights would seek to make their mark and eventually become champion.  One such welterweight was James “Mighty Quinn” Page. A troubled but talented fighter, he would go to prison in the mid-90s following a theft from the gym he worked out at. Once out, he would resume his career and sign to Don King.  He would claim the WBA Welterweight Title, vacated by Ike Quartey, in 1998 with a savage highlight reel 2nd round knockout over Andrey Pestryaev. 

Jose Luis Lopez was another talented welterweight of the latter half of 90s.  An underrated boxer puncher with an outstanding ability to soak up punishment.  He would capture the WBO Welterweight Title in 1996 dethroning Eamonn Loughran in just 1 round.  He would then go on to have victories of such notable fighters such as Yory Boy Campas, Jorge Vaca, & Aaron “Superman” Davis.   These victories would lead to his most known fight to date:  a title shot against then WBA Welterweight Champion Ike Quartey.  Lopez gave “Bazooka” all that he could handle in the fight. He managed to score 2 knockdowns, but ultimately would have to settle for a Majority Draw.   The fight did nothing to lower his stock to the boxing public even as certain out of the ring habits were starting to become more prevalent.  After wins in 3 rebound fight, Lopez would get another crack at regaining a title.  He would be selected to be the opponent for James Page’s first title defense on the undercard to Johnny Tapia vs Nana Konadu.

                The fight itself was a thriller.  The opening round saw Page trying to assert himself early against the ever-dangerous Lopez.  Using a jab to keep Lopez at bay in order to land a left hook.  During this, there seems to have been a cut that affected Page’s right eye.  You could see him pawing at it a little bit.  The second round followed more of the same with Page starting to open more on Lopez who seems to be hesitant to let his hands go.  In the final seconds of the round, Lopez got Page’s attention by snapping his head back with a left hand.  Round 3 saw the first knockdown of the fight occur.   Page’s hands were dropping lower than expected, a sign of things to come. A beautiful 1-2 combination from Lopez had Page unstuck and wobbling into the ropes.  Lopez would then follow up with a fuselage of punches that would send Page down into the ropes. Page got up but was in serious trouble.  Lopez would pound him around the ring but unfortunately the bell rang, saving Page from a knockout.  Round 4 saw Page sticking and moving trying to clear his head.  Lopez again though did not press to further the advantages he had caused earlier until the waning moments of the round.  He again badly hurt Page with a right hand and again let his hands go.  The bell rang and Page would even take a shot after this.  What a pattern this fight was beginning to take.  Page outworks and outboxes, then get hurts and is in all sorts of trouble.  Judges at this point must have been stressing about how to score these rounds. 

The middle rounds you saw Page getting off first and landing.  Lopez just moving forward and not letting his hands go. It was ridiculous as his chin. It was amazing the punishment he was taking from Page and not going down.   Lou Duva, in the corner, being blunt that he was losing the fight and it was getting away from him. In round 9, a punch lands on Page as he is slipping.  The ref rules it a knockdown which Page jumped up and down in pure disbelief.  But it does not help where Lopez has another round he knocks Page around again near the end of the round.  As we are getting deeper into the later rounds, Lopez’s work rate started increasing slightly but his pressure was getting to Page.  Page was noticeably starting to slow down by this point.  Unfortunately, it was too little too late for Lopez.  While he had landed some good punches on Page, he was not able to slow Page’s movement enough.  When the final bell rang, everyone could tell Page that won (and survived) a gut check war.  The judges would officially confirm that via unanimous decision with scores of 116-111, 115-112, and 115-111.  In the post-fight interview, the most poignant thing to me that was mentioned was Page not even remembering he got knocked down in the fight.  It was one hell of a fight between both men.

                The aftermath of these two would take different trajectories.  For Jose Luis Lopez, this would be the final stand as a serious contender.  After taking more than 2 years off, he would come back and bounce between 160 and 175 with wins against lower competition but little momentum following.  He would also suffer his first and only stoppage loss against Francisco Sierra in 2010.  He would eventually retire later that year.  For all intents Jose Luis Lopez has led a pretty drama free and quiet life in his retirement.  The same could not be said about James Page unfortunately.   Page would have 2 more successful title defenses before being stripped of his title in 2000 for not honoring a mandatory.  He would be out of the ring until 2001, where he would be knocked out in 7 by the late Andrew “Six Heads” Lewis in his final title shot.  Shortly after, he would be sent to prison for 10 years for committing a couple of bank robberies.  Upon his release in 2012, he attempted a boxing comeback which last all of one fight.  A disastrous 2 round knockout at the hands of the journeyman fighter Rahman Mustafa Yusubov who had a losing record.  With no other skills or prospects, he would return to committing bank robberies for which he would send back to jail for 7 years.  A sad post career story that is unfortunately more common than not for retired boxers.  Regardless, it does not take away from what both fighters did in the ring and their fight.  Full recommendation to watch.

Written by Patscorpio

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The Great Karen Pandemic

On this segment of “Real Talk”, the Ring Gang crew discuss latest pandemic that made its way into the news: “The Karen” – the latest racist incident involving Amy Cooper,the “Central Park Karen”.

The Eyes in the Ring (Boxing Training)

What is seen to lead to making a call in the fight.

We have all experienced it, seeing a fight. Watching the moves and decisions made during the 12 rounds of a boxing match (5 rounds for MMA and Muay Thai title bouts or 3 for an amateur bout for all three sports). The judges call comes through a winner or a draw has been decided and people go back and forth on how one fighter won over the other.

People get heated, start explaining why what they saw was more valid than another or simply bring perspectives to make you want to rewatch the fight under more controlled circumstances (like no sound to ignore the crowd) possibly making one change their mind or strengthen their resolve.

While we all have had our opinions on how one fighter won over the other let’s consider some of the major factors happening during the bout.

Judge Criteria 

Judges are looking for the following goals to be met by either fighter (this is in no particular order)

Effective Aggression

Ring Generalship

Defense

Clean Punches/Hard Punches

Seems straight forward enough, always remember though everyone is human you are bound to have some leaning or bias to a certain style or approach or in this case criteria over the other. The other thing to remember its a round by round basis so it makes thing murky if you cannot remember what happened (thus the scorecards to keep track)

Effective Aggression

The most interesting one, it is in essence the most simple. Who is forcing the fight? So it would be natural to think of the person moving forward. But then comes the Adjective before aggression, “effective”. What is effective aggression really?

Obviously to be in the fight you have to be in range of the fight so move towards the danger, that is one way to look at it. However recklessly rushing in may not be the wisest idea.

Risking eating something worse for being too eager to jump in.

Now it doesn’t mean you have to be cagey being excessively worried about catching something in return. The best counter punchers know they are going to get caught with something, it is how you can force the person to come back with what you want to get the blow you seek.

The person who throws first will usually have the exchange in their favor, the question is can they time it in their favor.

Ring Generalship

Another aspect, how the ring is used. This is where the fine line between moving and running gets blurred for a lot of people. There is nothing wrong with making space for yourself and if you see the shot coming, why not get out of the way? The question after that is are you able to fire back after the fact?

The most common scenario is when someone is cornered, you’re most likely going to do something defensively or offensively to get out of a corner to hopefully if paying attention get back to the center of the ring. Because if you wind back up in the corner or on the ropes you kind of have defeated the purpose or are looking to catch your breath.

Defensively or…..

Offensively

In combat sports controlling the center or having the majority of the ring space behind you is ideal, you have more mobility options than the other person. So you may see people dance around the ring to have someone walk aimlessly towards them like the David Haye vs Pulev fight or someone stalk their opponent to waste energy getting away to lead into a finish like Evander Holyfield vs Buster Douglas.

Defense

This is a mixed bag, in the end everyone loves watching someone evade punches. It’s just how and if they notice the defense happening. You want to protect yourself from punches but not be helpless while doing so.  There is a good chance the referee will stop the fight due to no response coming back.

This also ties into the parts of defense some might find off putting saying things like someone is running or hugging too much, anyone who has gone past even 3 hard rounds knows that being able to tie someone up for even a few seconds of breath makes a huge difference.

We have talked before in other articles and videos on various guards and how they work, so lets touch on some key things most of the time is considered good defense.

  • No clean shots landed
    • This is based on where the judge can see you vs the person throwing at you, if they can’t see you. You’re not getting the nod
  • Making the person miss
    • While making someone miss by inches is great, it might still look like you got hit. Don’t take it to heart fighters, you got less lumps for it and that’s all that matters.
    • If the person looks sloppy trying to land on you the scoring will generally fall in your favor, especially if a counter came from it
  • What was done after the defense
    • To roughly quote the late Roger Mayweather, “you don’t get points, blocking punches. You get points by punches landed” being able to avoid the shot is great. Making them pay adds the exclamation point even if it didn’t land clean it shows you have the answer ready and that is easier to notice

Clean/Hard Punches

This can also get a little murky, but then again what criteria doesn’t? But it falls to two things, did it land without it being blocked and did it hurt the person (be it off balance or a more visual reaction, like spaghetti legs)

I call this part the antithesis of that one aspect of defense, you can avoid a flurry but if you don’t answer the flurry. The one who flurried got that round in the bag, a good example is Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvelous Marvin Hagler where Ray would flurry towards the end of a round to steal it.

or watch Gary Russel Jr.

Everything in the end falls into each other, meshing and melding into the approach of the fighter that night. Sometimes they may lean more into positioning. Other times they want to bring the fight to the person, just like judges we are all subject to some form of bias based on what we have seen before or like to see (remember highlight reels are just highlights not the fight itself) the crowd but we should consider that criteria when watching fights so we can have somewhere to begin the conversation of how each fight is favored.

As always, stay training, stay healthy and always remember to rebuild your game.

This article was written by PJ the Fight Architect who was inspired by the “A Tale of Two Fights” article written by Shutterworth back in November 28, 2018.